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Greetings
Watchers!
Today I had
occasion to chat with brother J. You might find our conversation enlightening.
I hope so.
God bless.
Humbly,
Your Brother
in Christ,
Brother Sal
Brother Sal:
hi
Brother Sal:
Hi ! Who's calling please?
Visitor:
Good afternoon. This is J.
Brother Sal:
Hi J!
Brother Sal:
Welcome to the chat line
Visitor:
I emailed you last week regarding the AC and his timing. I don't know if you
remember the email.
Brother Sal:
please refresh me
Brother Sal:
I got about 150 emails about the AC last week
Visitor:
It is kind of like the chicken and the egg. The trib starts when the AC brokers
a peace deal with Israel, but the
AC is not released until the first seal is broken.
Brother Sal:
that’s not exactly so
Brother Sal:
you have a misconception
Brother Sal:
The AC is not the AC until the beast from out of the pit possesses him
Brother Sal:
until that time, he is the Little Horn on the rise
Brother Sal:
and it’s the little horn that confirms the peace
Brother Sal:
and he come out at chapter 6
Visitor:
Please straighten out my thinking. What is meant by the rider on the white horse
. The first rider of the 4 horsemen?
Brother Sal:
that is the peace maker
Brother Sal:
looks like Christ
Brother Sal:
but has a bow with no arrow
Brother Sal:
and white horse stand for peace
Brother Sal:
he comes in peace
Brother Sal:
first
Brother Sal:
but it doesn't last long
Brother Sal:
then comes war, famine and death
Brother Sal:
but, the Church goes home before that begins according to Paul
Visitor:
So then, with the opening of the first seal comes his rise to prominence?
Brother Sal:
well, he rises to being the false deliverer of the Jews and the Maudi of the
Moslem world
Brother Sal:
because of the act of confirming the peace
Brother Sal:
there are only 2 obstacles to peace in the Mideast today
Brother Sal:
the temple mount in Jerusalem and
the Refugees
Brother Sal:
both are in the hands of the Hashemite King
Brother Sal:
The Hashemite King is the 43rd direct descendant of the prophet Mohammed
Brother Sal:
to be Maudi, you must be a descendant of Mohammed
Brother Sal:
to be Messiah to the Jews, you have to be anyone who brings peace and security
to
Israel and builds the temple
Visitor:
Please forgive me if this is obvious, but are the refugees you are referring to
Palestians?
Brother Sal:
yes
Brother Sal:
there can be no peace with them until that's worked out
Brother Sal:
and there can be no peace with Israel until
the temple mount is worked out
Brother Sal:
the King holds the keys to temple mount
Brother Sal:
The King's kingdom is on the Palestinian home land
Visitor:
If I understand your lessons, will the little horn take back his throne in Iraq and
give the refugees a homeland in Jordan?
Brother Sal:
well, that's what seems to be actually happening on the ground
Brother Sal:
the King is the USA's best
client regime
Brother Sal:
they just gave him a free trade agreement
Brother Sal:
that is a huge payoff for something
Visitor:
What do you mean by client regime?
Brother Sal:
A ruling government sympathetic to the West
Brother Sal:
like the Saudis, and Kuwaitis and Egyptians, and Jordanians
Brother Sal:
we sponsor their countries for their friend ship and cooperation
Brother Sal:
but, as big a payday as that was for Jordan, it
pales in comparison to the King getting back Iraq, which is his real kingdom
Brother Sal:
that was usurped from him by the UAR, which was Egypt
and Syria at the time
Brother Sal:
so the solution to the Mideast
problem lies in Jordan
Brother Sal:
give it back to the Palestinians for their homeland as it was pre 1921
Visitor:
So he will get his kingdom back by uprooting the current leadership?
Brother Sal:
well, the coalition will do the actual uprooting
Brother Sal:
it looks like curtains for Saddam right after bin Laden
Brother Sal:
and then Syria
Visitor:
Do you think that coalition is the one being formed right now? I read the
papers, but just when I think I have it figured out, I don’t.
Brother Sal:
don't stand so close to it
Brother Sal:
move back and look at the whole picture for a while
Brother Sal:
then you will see the close-ups much clearer
Brother Sal:
get what I mean
Visitor:
I'm starting to get it.
Brother Sal:
you have to view the big picture
Brother Sal:
from the viewpoint
Brother Sal:
that you know the outcome already
Brother Sal:
so you know where it's all leading
Brother Sal:
the prophecy is absolutely clear about that
Brother Sal:
the peace that allows the Jews to have temple mount rights on a shared temple
mount that is confirmed by a leader from out of the Seleucid portion of the Old
Grecian Empire who is given power by the kings on the land that were once ruled
by Rome
in her day
Brother Sal:
there is only one person on todays stage
Brother Sal:
who that can possibly qualify under those Biblical guidelines
Visitor:
So people who say the AC will come out of a revived Roman Empire
are not incorrect, they are just looking at the wrong section of that empire?
Brother Sal:
EXACTLY!!!
Brother Sal:
and because they are looking in the wrong direction, they will not see what you
are seeing they don't understand the prophecy
Brother Sal:
they are listening to gurus who will not revise their thinking eventhough
history is proving their theories incorrect
Brother Sal:
which is only serving to confuse the Christian population about what’s what
concerning the end times, and they are choosing to hide their heads in the sand
about it
Brother Sal:
and we are getting so close that it's scary to think of them being left behind
Brother Sal:
because they don't have a clue
Brother Sal:
but they will get the 40 days of warning
Brother Sal:
just like Nineveh
Brother Sal:
because Jonah is the only sign of the Messiah
Brother Sal:
and Jesus is the Messiah
Brother Sal:
but not to the Jews
Brother Sal:
only to us substitutes
Visitor:
Well even though they are mistaken in their view of where the AC comes from, I
would like to think they will still be raptured. If they are truly saved.
Brother Sal:
we are not worried about the truly saved, but its' coming down to a moment of
truth
Brother Sal:
and awareness is the key to being awake
Brother Sal:
God said that all of the Philadelphians only and 50% of the Laodicean
Church are going to make it
Visitor:
That's a sad truth.
Brother Sal:
well, we have to wake up the 50% to being aware
Brother Sal:
even if they laugh at us now
Brother Sal:
for what we claim
Brother Sal:
otherwise they will not be aware of what that sign really is when those many
dead rise and are seen in Jerusalem
during those 40 days
Brother Sal:
there will be a zillion different stories floating around the world
Brother Sal:
confusion about it will be rampant
Brother Sal:
but you will know
Brother Sal:
and what ever the choice is at the moment of your truth, you will choose
correctly
Brother Sal:
because you do know
Brother Sal:
that might not be so easy for many of your friends and relatives or fellow
church members who don’t see it coming the way you do.
Visitor:
I don't understand how the dead rising will not change some peoples thinking. It
should actually change everyone's thinking, but like you said before, they will
have their head in the sand. And since I do know, I guess it will be up to me to
make some of those people aware.
Brother Sal:
tha’s all I am trying to do
Brother Sal:
recruit people who are willing to help me in this task
Brother Sal:
I have the knowledge, and the teachings
Brother Sal:
all prepared
Visitor:
You're doing a fine job.
Brother Sal:
thank you but we have not reached enough people, and I have been at it for 5.5
years on the Internet alone
Brother Sal:
imagine how hard this was to see 5 years ago
Brother Sal:
And, I saw it 21 years ago
Brother Sal:
that's what got me to watching it
Brother Sal:
and 11 years ago I became a professional full time watcher
Visitor:
What led you to look in a different direction?
Brother Sal:
the teaching on Daniel
Brother Sal:
it's so clear that its a history lesson
Brother Sal:
in the great image
Brother Sal:
checking it against history was tedious work, but it only had to be done once
Brother Sal:
to do that you had to come right into the modern day
Brother Sal:
to see who the people were that were living on that land today, and where the
boundaries are now, and who is who, and right at that time, Egypt
was making peace with Israel
Brother Sal:
and the guy that was helping the most in the peace what Jordan’s
King Hussein
Brother Sal:
he fit the profile, so I began to watch him
Brother Sal:
and how he fit into the rest of the world on the stage as time passed before me
Brother Sal:
always coming from the viewpoint of knowing the end or outcome of the story
Visitor:
I can't understand why others haven't been moved to look in this direction. I
know tradition has a way of holding some back but you would think that they
would break from tradition since God's truth is so obvious.
Brother Sal:
You would think so, since this cannot be fantasy
Brother Sal:
this is historic
Brother Sal:
and worldwide in scope
Visitor:
It's funny how he gets so little press. He was just in Washington
and not very much was made of it.
Brother Sal:
of course not
Brother Sal:
he has to deliver first
Brother Sal:
that’s why President Bush just had a few choice words of praise for him, and
gave him a big smile and the pen
Brother Sal:
I call King Abdullah II the “pen” now
Brother Sal:
it almost as if President Bush was saying, ok Kingy, now go show your pen to the
rest of the Arabs and bring them in line for this peace
Brother Sal:
you're supposed to be the holy man, so go do your stuff
Brother Sal:
and if you do, you win the lotto - Iraq
Brother Sal:
and according to scripture, he shares the wealth with his people
Brother Sal:
he’s a benevolent king
Brother Sal:
worthy of all the worlds respect
Visitor:
So Bush is actually prodding the AC to take his place in prophetic history.
Brother Sal:
yes indeed
Brother Sal:
unknowingly of course, but just as God said it would
Brother Sal:
it's going exactly according to what God predicted
Brother Sal:
the people are immaterial
Visitor:
And people say America is no
player in end time events.
Brother Sal:
well, they are, ever since She and England
sponsored the formation of Israel
Visitor:
I want to make sure I am clear on the origins of the AC. Now was the Roman Empire
split into East and West?
Brother Sal:
not yet
Brother Sal:
the time is AD 70
Brother Sal:
The prince of Rome,
Antiochus, destroys the temple and kicks the Jews out of Israel and renames it
Plestine
Brother Sal:
does the abomination of desolation and everything else that Daniel calls for
Brother Sal:
it had to happen to fulfill scripture
Brother Sal:
at that time, Christ could have returned and defeated the enemy and the
Millennium is started
Brother Sal:
but the Jews said no!
Brother Sal:
so that could not have been the last time that would happen
Brother Sal:
God did not set up his kingdom at that time
Visitor:
I have read somewhere that is the little horn on the goat, that slams into the
ram. I think I have that straight. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Brother Sal:
I just explained it
Brother Sal:
it all happened to fulfill scripture
Brother Sal:
it was ready to end
Brother Sal:
but the Jews said no!
Brother Sal:
and it all had to be done again
Brother Sal:
to the Jews
Brother Sal:
to make the word given to them come back fulfilled
Visitor:
So was Antiochus a shadow cast of the coming AC?
Brother Sal:
he turned out to be that
Brother Sal:
he was for real there for a while
Brother Sal:
had the Jews said yes, Jesus would have come and cleaned house, and set up the
Kingdom
Brother Sal:
it would have been all done then
Brother Sal:
The Lord would return, set up the Kingdom and the Jews would inherit it
Brother Sal:
it was all set up, but left to FREE WILL
Brother Sal:
God had the secret plan waiting in the wings just in case
Brother Sal:
all written into scripture from the beginning
Brother Sal:
no secret codes
Brother Sal:
its all there
Brother Sal:
so the substitutes had to be found that would accept it on faith, because they
weren't going to see the crucifixion again – Jesus only had to die once
Brother Sal:
so now the Messiah had to be passed on to the Church
Brother Sal:
who was the mystery that was revealed only to Paul
Brother Sal:
the fail safe plan God stored in His mind incase it was needed
Brother Sal:
the Church would not be Jew or Gentile
Brother Sal:
but new Creatures in Christ
Brother Sal:
a new race
Brother Sal:
just to receive the promise made to the chosen people
Brother Sal:
but the reward for faith was greater than the reward for performance
Visitor:
I'm starting to get it more now.
Brother Sal:
so, now the time for the events of Daniel to repeat in history had to come about
again
Brother Sal:
in order to bring it to an end and to the Kingdom that was promised
Brother Sal:
that same set of circumstances had to exist again sometime in the future
Visitor:
Got it.
Visitor:
So if the Jews had accepted Christ, there would have been no need for a rapture,
tribulation, or even a New Testament?
Brother Sal:
now you got it
Brother Sal:
it was not done for us
Brother Sal:
mankind got the benefit of the salvation
Brother Sal:
but through the Jews for their performance
Brother Sal:
and trust in God's word
Brother Sal:
the Church was the fail safe plan hidden in the mind of God incase the FREE WILL
chose against Him
Brother Sal:
and it did
Brother Sal:
so the hidden plan was put into motion
Brother Sal:
and the whole timing of the end was pushed up into the future
Brother Sal:
to be seen when the events of Daniel were seen on the stage
Brother Sal:
and when they were
Brother Sal:
we would see it because we were commanded to watch
Brother Sal:
and when we saw it we were to warn the other
Brother Sal:
and get ready for the promise to the Church to be fulfilled
Brother Sal:
then He goes back to deal with the chosen people and we know from Revelation
what happens to them.
Visitor:
And this time around, free will will not hinder God's plan and push it further
into the future. It's either accept Christ or face damnation?
Brother Sal:
you're either for us or against us, as President Bush put it
Brother Sal:
then the door closes
Brother Sal:
just like in the days of Noah
Brother Sal:
only this time, they will die, but they will be resurrected and get the heaven
reward for the shedding of their own blood for their faith.
Brother Sal:
and this has to be it, because we are going to see Daniel only once
Brother Sal:
and when you see it, then you would know
Brother Sal:
and you could never see Daniel until Israel was a
Nation again
Brother Sal:
and the people were called home from the 4 corners of the earth
Brother Sal:
this stuff is so simple that it amazes me that no one sees it
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